Originally by: Vyktor Abyss

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Helicity banned apparently for linking this...

CCP appear to be on full damage control...

Whoever the "clever" marketing/PR guy was who thought it clever to use Gordan Ghecko's "Greed is Good!" will undoubtably be the first out the door, but definately not the last as this may just be the final nail in the coffin of Eve after Incarna.

I've been 'playing' Eve for the last year via PLEX anyway so if I get banned for this well shucks, I'll be in good company. Ciao.

Time to wake up and try X3. I hear its a fun spaceship game. o/

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Originally by: Alara IonStorm

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Originally by: Carmine Lady

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only just reactivated, came back to see all this, regret I had reactivated,

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I was on my way to pick up a prepaid Credit Card to resub for another month, figured I got till the 16th to do it and will wait.

Got home, saw thread...

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Originally by: Sciencegeek deathdealer

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LOL

http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility

Look at the all time graph, not only does this expansion not have the usual jump in users, but there are actually fewer users logging in! And the trend just seems to be getting steeper!!

EVE IS DEAD.

CCP might rescue some of it if they come clean and start over very soon, but they don't have much time.

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Originally by: Isil Rahsen

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Originally by: Tippia

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Communication a low-scorer? Who'd'a thunk it?

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:CCP:

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Originally by: Hyperforce99

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There has been not a single response from CCP about this mess...

You know CCP, you can't stick your head into the sand and simply wish it away.

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Originally by: Saving Face

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Originally by: Miilla

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I'm sitting here laughing at CCP

Then I think I have paid for a remaining 111 days time :(

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Quite similar feelings here

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Originally by: Bomberlocks

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Originally by: Verone

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Please look at this, and then look at this.

Sums up the situation nicely, I think.

Put the pitchforks down, undock, and kill things.

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Verone, you've been brownnosing CCP for so long that you wouldn't recognise a mountain if it slapped you in the face while you tripped over the molehill.

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Originally by: Nimbat

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They locked the thread where we discussed the ban of helicity :(

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Originally by: Iloni Atoriandra

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I for one am enjoying my monocle and look forward to a matching tophat of +5 awesomeness.

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Originally by: Bendy Profane

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Take this very seriously, management of CCP.

Yes, there are those who will always flame you on the forums. But the recent events also turned a lot of moderates into angry and bitter customers. Without the core community this game is nothing. Do not put it off for good.

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Originally by: Redblade

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While I agree with you I'm with Verone a bit on this, at least let the patch sink in and get a few fixes, give CCP some time to perhaps shed some light on this and then make a stand if needed.

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Originally by: General Windypops

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It's not a troll in the slightest. I have more money than you in real life, but less time than most of you because I have a higher powered job. Is it fair that I should be penalised by NOT having things in game just because you have a less successful career?

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Originally by: leth ghost

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Originally by: General Windypops

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It's not a troll in the slightest. I have more money than you in real life, but less time than most of you because I have a higher powered job. Is it fair that I should be penalised by NOT having things in game just because you have a less successful career?

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why dont you just say it clearly

I AM IMPORTANT I HAVE LOTS OF MONEY YOU MUST LET ME BUY MY WAY TO THE TOP OF A GAME WITH RL MONEY

o its because you will sound like a complete idiot lol

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Originally by: Republica Winder

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Originally by: Cipher Jones

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Originally by: General Windypops

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I actually don't know what the hell all the fuss is about. Do you honestly NOT expect CCP to look at how best to maximise profit?

You're all insanely naive if so. Not one thing in that document was shocking or surprising. Except for some of the page design.

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To maximize profit CCP would have to retain old customers while gaining new ones.

While it might not be shocking it is a violation of what was promised to the fanbase.

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By making move like this CCP will NEITHER retain existing customers NOR attract any new ones. They've cost themselves 100,000 accounts AT LEAST, maybe even more.

This is similar to what happened when SOE dumped the NGE turd on Star Wars Galaxies.

The reason why they won't be able to replace those who leave is because they won't leave quietly. People who get backstabbed by a business tend to go away LOUDLY. The NGE ended up being reported in places where not even WoW got reported on: CBS, The New York Times, etc, not to mention the entire gaming news press.

Take a look at the top story on all the gaming sites right now: Yep, this little backstab.

People aren't going to go subscribe to the game that everyone says has management with the morality of Anthony Weiner.

Also, another hindrance to attracting new players for a game like this IS the skill train time sink. The only way this game brings in new players is because of OLD players, like us (I have three 50+ million SP characters myself).

EVE is more dependent on veteran players for long term survival than SWG was.

Which means, to me anyway, I think this fiasco is going to hurt them faster and harder than the NGE harmed SOE.

Worst of all, from CCP's point of view, it's harmed their reputation. Who is going to buy their other games? Take a look at how (un) successful everything SOE has launched since the NGE has been? DCUO, for example, which they spent over $50 million developing cratered within 5 months of launch, it's already being consolidated down into the bare minimum number of servers needed to keep it open with both PVP and PVE rulesets...

So not only is this going to cost CCP EVE's success, it's going to make the failure of DUST and World of Twilight foregone conclusions.

To CCP management: Is the extra nose candy money from selling $70 monocles and future planned items worth that?

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Originally by: Ms Freak

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Originally by: Carmine Lady

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Originally by: Bendy Profane

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Take this very seriously, management of CCP.

Yes, there are those who will always flame you on the forums. But the recent events also turned a lot of moderates into angry and bitter customers. Without the core community this game is nothing. Do not put it off for good.

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they can not ignore this i mean, they cannot ignore the fact that alot of old players are angry.

unless of course they have really forgotten the older players (ive played scince 08)

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I've paid/played since 03 on two accounts. Vanity items i'm not bothered about. Power items? Not whilst i'm still paying my subs.

I can live with the display case that CQ is (i have disabled it mind you) and i can well believe the document which i've had ~20 hours to read and digest is indeed real, and, most probably, designed to cause this very debate, however: I still don't like where EvE is going and CCP need to interact with thier customers to make thier product(s) better.

If they intereact and make thier product(s) better then more people will want to know what we are all raving about and they will make more money.

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Originally by: J Kunjeh

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I honestly don't see what everyone is so upset about with regards to this document. I read the entire thing and while I might disagree with some of the opinions within, I realize they're just that, opinions. I actually rather enjoyed reading it and getting some inside info (if it's real) on some CCP employees thoughts about MT.

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Originally by: Zephy Russ

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Now be reasonable. All of you are being like this because you are mere peasants with not enough money to buy a monocle, which, by the way, I am currently choosing not to wear because I am so rich I can afford not to.

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Originally by: Lev Aeris

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This game has been in a nose dive since dominion. It had to hit the ground eventually.

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Originally by: Ein Spiegel

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Surprised not locked yet. But I didn't sift through the 55 pages. I'm assuming there's not a CCP dev response here.

However. When I initially read the EN24 article, I concluded it was fake within 5 minutes. And this is why. It has nothing, absolutely nothing, to do with Eve. It has to do with references to WoD content. The most damning is the reference to CCP Stephanie Myers.

To start, they wouldn't allow a Dev name to match a real name. There are legal complications. But that's not the big reason this screams FAKE. The big reason, as any developer on the WoD team would know, is that the mere mention of that name will cause violence, pain, and suffering to the person that uses it from anyone that is hardcore WoD enough to attend Masquerade (which is the Camarilla gathering and somewhat like "FanFest" for Eve in the WoD world) and actually see the few tidbits CCP has shown about WoD MMO there. This is written by someone that thinks "Oh, a Vampire MMO would of course be just like Twilight." Which, if repeated in my presence, would lead to an immediate disemboweling. There is that much difference in mood, setting, and theme, as to cause physical pain if the two are in the same sentence. CCP devs know this. Why? Because White Wolf employees are on the team - they didn't all cut and run when CCP bought White Wolf publishing. The hardcore fans of WoD are such that they sued (granted, they lost... c'mon) over the image of the game when story elements and business requirements caused them to be upset. (This is why the Camarilla, which was independent, is now owned wholly by White Wolf - it's like me suing my favorite author because I don't like how their latest book upsets my fanfic. WoD players are in fact that passionate. Not too bright, sometimes, but passionate.)

Of course, the DUST related comment also points to someone that has no clue what is going on... it blatantly contradicts what the CEO has already said about DUST. Dust will be free to download. Free to play. The only income stream from Dust is going to be MT. This was repeated again during the AT9 coverage.

I just don't see this being real. (sarcasm) It's almost "fair and balanced", if you will. (end sarcasm) It is about on par with all of the other "quality" coverage you get at EN24. I'm not saying that I don't think CCP may be looking a lot closer at MT, and there may be parts of it that actually have some truthiness. However, I imagine part of the reason we don't see a CCP response to this yet is because, if it's fake, the author of the article and the entire EN24 website has just opened themselves up to a major liability in the "slander/libel" arena, and if it's real, it's a major liability in the "confidential"/"privacy"/"corporate espionage" area. Either way, lawyers may become involved, and they do not react quickly to forum posters. In fact, silence is a pretty good indication that some kind of legal action may be underway.

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Originally by: Tehlana Riolis

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They continue to ignore the problem

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Originally by: Cyber Duck

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So... 23 hours gone... nearly at the 2000 post mark...

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Originally by: Dograzor

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Confirming that they are deleting posts without notifying.

On another note, this thread is reaching 100.000 views in less then 24h. Shouldn't this tell CCP something?

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Originally by: Cyber Duck

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When Chribba, Akita T, and Milia, all start getting concerned...

You know ****'s gettin real

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Originally by: Sorcsha Voren

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Here's an interesting look back at previous CCP posts.


http://hosted.corelicorp.net/micro.jpg

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Originally by: Gwenywell Shumuku

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Edited by: Gwenywell Shumuku on 24/06/2011 00:47:40
Oh, and don't fold now guys, damage control has just started, meaning this is diplomatic foreplay. Send in the first to test the waters. Make some statements, see reactions.

P.s. i have no interest in bringing CCP down if they are serious about it, but the post just says "ok i hoped it would go away, it didn't...now lets talk".

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